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> > TONY: [i]Well, aside from the fact that we have exactly 0 observations of species divergence [...] (Hypothesis] 4 has 0 observations to support it, in terms of speciation....[/i] >  > You think 3 and 5*** may be &#147;closer to the truth&#148;. May I ask how often these have been observed? If we had first-hand observation of new species (broad sense - not different types of dog) being created, then there&apos;d be no discussion. Nobody knows how it happened, and that&apos;s why we have to speculate, so non-observation can hardly be regarded as a reason for rejecting any of the hypotheses. > - 3 Could not have been observed by humans, because we were among the last created (which ironically is also backed up by scientific observations). 5 however, has been observed many times in the DNA of living creatures.-- >DHW I&apos;m not so sure that cows need to communicate and plan anything with grass, but I agree that there is interdependence between different organisms. My apologies if I&apos;m being dense here, but I don&apos;t see how this rules out 6 but rules in 3 and 5*** (let&apos;s forget 1, since none of us like it). If life depends on other life in order to exist, and this requires communication and planning between cells etc., then cells must be able to communicate and plan. In that case, 6 remains extremely relevant. If you are saying, as David does, that cells are not capable of communicating and planning, how does separate creation (3) explain the interdependence and ability to cooperate and plan? And how does a change of computer programme in one organism (5) explain the ability of other organisms to cooperate and plan with the newcomer?  > - Life depends on life. True.  Life depends on cellular communication. True. Cellular communication does NOT mean cellular planning, however, and that communication is very, very limited. Special creation/pre-planning solves this problem neatly because the intelligence behind the creation can plan. I can write programs that depend on each other very easily. When you read this you are are using dozens of such programs. Concept 3 does not require cells to plan, so there is no need to explain something that does not happen. -When I said that there was a limited version of 5 in play, it means that there aren&apos;t any "new comers" in terms of new types of creatures popping up out of no where. The few points in history where life got the reset button, it reset. There was not really a lot of left overs for the new creatures to have to interact with. The old guard dies when the new arrives. --- > *** The six hypotheses are: 1) Evolution happened through innovations caused by random mutations; 2) Evolution didn&apos;t happen: God made every species independently at the same time; 3) Evolution didn&apos;t happen: but God made every species separately at different times; 4) Evolution happened: God preprogrammed the first cells to pass on every stage of it; 5) Evolution happened: God directed it through innovations, as he inserted sequences of new computer programmes into different existing cell communities; 6) Evolution happened through innovations created by intelligent cell communities, whose intelligence may or may not have been created by a God.