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> > dhw: Aw shucks, David, how many more times? Even evolutionists have agreed that Darwin&apos;s gradualism was wrong (ever heard of punctuated equilibrium?)You and I agreed on that yonks ago, and have spent several years discussing how evolution "really works". One hypothesis is the "intelligent cell" possibly called the "inventive cell"? Remember?-Not the point. We are discussing the arrival of new species. We are trying to explain the Cambrian gap. Does the appearance of the dragonfly with no precursors surprise you? Apparently not. Full-blown body plan, barely changed over 300 million years. Pray, tell me, how does a committee of intelligent cells conjure up such a perfect body plan de novo that remains almost unchanged to date? How about the plans we haven&apos;t discussed, the embryological plan to take the organism from egg to adult? Piling the parts of a building on a piece of land does not create a building. It requires thoughtful planning and then guided execution. You are totally blind to the complex biology behind all of this problem we are discussing. There is much too much complexity for chance. That you have accepted. Tell me how cooperating cells do it. Where did they get the plans and information? We see no tiny experimental steps, only huge jumps in fossils. That was the point I was making. Your only escape from this problem is if you recognize that an inventive mechanism in cells comes with full-blown plans.