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> > tony: the possibility of a designer is at least as good, if not better, than the possibility of random chance creating everything that exists.[/i] >  > dhw: The design we know may come from within the materials themselves, and whatever degree of awareness is necessary for each design may have evolved within individual collections of matter. This is the form of panpsychism that attributes mental aspects to all spatio-temporal things.-To which I continue to raise the same issue: where did the information come from to allow this supposed mechanism. Information is organized knowledge. it has to have a source you can point to, but you can&apos;t as an agnostic.-    > dhw: My agnostic answer to your question can only be that none of these three hypotheses offer a convincing explanation of the origin of consciousness (and by extension the designs that have stemmed from consciousness). Each is equally possible, but I see no reason to give one precedence over the others.-And I think they are not equal since you cannot give me a source for the underlying information.