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> dhw: [i]I do not see the Big Bang or the multiverse theory, or an infinite number of past and future universes, as providing any evidence for or against the existence of a designer[/i].-DAVID: [i]Philosopher John Leslie&apos;s famous conclusion to his book, "Universes" fits here:" Much evidence suggests...That God is real and/or there exist vastly many, very varied universes." Note that the "and/or" allows for God to create one or many![/i]-Indeed. And note that "and/or" also allows for the UNREALITY of God if there are vastly many, very varied universes. So it would appear that John Leslie&apos;s argument and mine are identically agnostic.   ********-DAVID: [i]At the same time theologists refer to God as utter simplicity,not complex. &apos;One&apos; is simple. Seems to fit your concept.[/i] dhw: [i]I don&apos;t think you need to believe in God to feel or believe in the oneness of all things[/i].  DAVID: [i]You shifted the discussion. There is a line of reasoning in theology, considering God alone, that He is not complex but utter simplicity. It fits my view of a universall consciousness: pure energy focused mentation.[/i]-The part of my post you have quoted was in response to Tony: "[i]Bella has often expressed the thought about us all being part of one. [...] Bella, the &apos;scriptures&apos; says that he names himself &apos;I am what I shall prove to be&apos; or, I am whatever I need to be. Without limitation, without reservations, absolutely complete." [/i]-I then commented on your claim that God is "utter simplicity" as follows: "[i]Humans describing their God as "utter simplicity", or offering any other description, have no evidence except their own and other people&apos;s opinions.[/i]" I stand by that response.-I&apos;m also surprised that since human consciousness is so complex as to defy all our scientists&apos; attempts to understand it, you should consider divine consciousness to be utterly simple. If this is so, do please explain how pure energy can "simply" be conscious of itself, whereas the consciousness of energy in the form of matter is beyond our understanding.