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> DAVID: [i]I guess the same would apply to turtles. What a weird branch of the bush they are! I think they were put on Earth to show that Darwinism doesn&apos;t work as an explanation for evolution.[/i]-dhw: [i]Maybe they evolved on Earth to show that the Turellist Theory of Anthropocentric Evolution has turned turtle.[/i]-DAVID: [i]I look at a turtle and feel sorry for them. Like medieval knights lugging around their armor, can&apos;t get right when they on their backs. I think God created them so we can see how lucky we are. My evolutionary bush is teleological. Purpose everywhere.[/i]-[i]Speaking of turtles, a bit of autobiography: my birth surname was Turkeltaub, a slavic version of the German, Turteltaube, or turtledove in English. Why a bird mentioned in the OT got co-mingled with turtles is beyond me...[/i]-The German turteln means to bill and coo, or to whisper sweet nothings ... which I think is wonderfully appropriate when applied to your teleology. As far as I can see, it has nothing to do with the German for turtle, which is Schildkr&#195;&#182;te, though in British English we distinguish between turtle (German: Wasserschildkr&#195;&#182;te) and tortoise (German: Landschildkr&#195;&#182;te). And so, dear David, you are a turtle dove, a whisperer of sweet nothings, and not a medieval knight in shining armour.