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> > [i]dhw: The creation of these responses, and indeed of every innovation you can think of, is indeed the wonder. Was their creation the result of God interfering, God preprogramming every single detail (which he would have to do if the mechanism itself didn&apos;t take the decisions), blind chance (= random mutations), or the innovative but unselfconscious intelligence of the cells forming new combinations? Four hypotheses. Take your pick, or sit on the fence with me.[/i] >  > hy: Nice capsule distillation dhw.-I still go back to the observation that all of reality develops by evolutionary processes. The universe from the Big Bang is very different now from plasma. 100 billion galaxies, increasing expansion rate, etc. Our galaxy evolved; when the Earth formed it evolved. After life appeared it evolved. We discover &apos;rules&apos; or &apos;laws&apos; that control those evolutions. 20 very dominent ones and 100 minor ones just to provide for a universe that allows life. -The issue for dhw really is does God tinker or set the processes up and watch? There is evidence for both; for example, the asteriod that did in the dinosaurs looks like tinkering, but the other way  of looking at it is simply to say that eventually an asteroid would have come along to do the deed. After all we are still worried about a big space rock hitting us now. we can see them out there in the asteroid belt. -As for &apos;intelligent&apos; cells joining together, my same old question: where did the information come from to make them intelligent? Where are the central controls to organize a proper cooperation? Pansychism is not at a cellular level, but at an organismal level, if it exists at all.