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> > Back it up with evidence. I&apos;ve got reams of literature and research showing how badly ...- 1.  Antibiotics.  Without which, common infections would result in millions of more deaths in a year.  -2.  Cardiac Surgery.  Without which, heart failure (even not caused by bad diets) would be automatic failure.  -3.  Democratic Government.  Without which, we would never be able to replace leaders when and if they went astray.  ([i]American [/i]Democracy was an enlightenment (materialist) invention.)  -4.  Electricity, without which, millions of people would die without proper heating or air conditioning.   -5.  Computers, without which, you would be unable to communicate with a huge majority of the world.  -Most of the flaws you&apos;ve found in "materialism" are due to the fact that things we didn&apos;t know before hand came back to bite us in some way.  Countering my claims above:-1.  Antibiotic resistance, which is causing extra-virulent strains to evolve and kills us.  -2.  High-fat, low-fiber diets, which cause the majority of heart disease we see in the first place.  -3.  Facism, something that couldn&apos;t exist without a democratic majority.  -4.  Sulphur dioxide emissions--caused by burning coal.  -5.  Blinders here.  Can&apos;t find a single *real* negative to computers.  -Point being:  You&apos;re blaming "materialists" for being unable to predict the future... something no prophet of antiquity was actually able to do.  -So what&apos;s your real argument, then, Tony?