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> >My faith in God must be personal, but it is through the Church that God reveals himself, and into the Church that I am incorporated. If you wish to call it mystical to speak of an inner conviction or a sense of God&apos;s presence, then this is something which is common to most Christians. >  >  > I would argue that Christianity has a rather higher regard for reason than atheism. For atheists, reason is something which just pops out in a few creatures after billions of years. For Christians, reason is there before all things, indeed by the Word or "Logos" (rational principle in Greek thinking) is the world created. The universe is thought before it is thought about.  >  Mark: I would agree completely that God &apos;thought&apos; the universe before he created it.On the other hand the contention that God reveals himself through your church is a human invention, supported by faith in what is revealed in your Bible, written by humans many years after the events described. Your church is a structure based on faith. If the original tenets are accepted then everything else follows logically. I was taught that years ago by a fellow college student who had almost become a Jesuit in training before his life took another direction. (He had studied to be a Jesuit about three years.) Therefore, the logic you describe, the reason, comes only after faith in the underpinnings of a given religion. Many of us cannot take that step in that order. And since I consider all religions a human invention, I am stuck at the point of recognizing a greater power without accepting a religion.