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> > DAVID: [i]Physical designs are mental. not phenotypical as in speciation.[/i]
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> > dhw:[i] We are not talking about speciation but about the evolution of the brain. [...] If God exists, he gave us the ability to design our machines, art, institutions etc. He did not preprogramme these into the new cells of 300,000 years ago.[/i]
> > 
> > I then asked why your God could not have given the same autonomy to other cells.
> > 
> > DAVID: [i]God could have, but there is no evidence other types of cells than neurons can act like neurons.[/i]
> > 
> > dhw: Thank you for agreeing that he could have. There is no evidence that your God fiddled with every other type of cell. Your God’s role in evolution – if he exists – is as unknown as his purposes and his nature. All our theories, as you keep telling us, are guesswork. 
> 
> At least I stick to reasoning from the available science of His works.
> > 
> > [b]Free will and a free-for-all[/b]
> > DAVID: [i]God gave up total control by giving us free will.[/i]
> > 
> > dhw: [i]And that is why it is perfectly possible that (if he exists) he gave up total control by setting in motion a free-for-all, whereby organisms did their own designing[/i].
> > 
> > Not answered.
> > 
> > DAVID: [i]No need. Previous discussions found no evidence for that theory.[/i]
> > 
> > dhw: Once more: there is no evidence for ANY of our theories, including yours. We can only discuss feasibility.
> 
> Your form of God has feasibility for anything human
> > 
> > DAVID: [i]God used evolution to create us, no matter what the Raup statistics show.[/i]
> > 
> > dhw: If God exists, he used evolution to create every organism that ever lived, whether directly or indirectly. 
> 
> Of course.
> > 
> > “[b]De novo” (The Cambrian)[/b]
> > 
> > DAVID: [i]You are stuck with a real gap. Only a designer can explain it.[/i]
> > 
> > dhw: [i]That is your rigid but unproven belief, which requires what you yourself acknowledge to be a leap of faith.[/i]
> > 
> > DAVID:[i] I just added another new Cambrian, making the gap bigger! Whet proof do you need in your wishful blind hope. It is no longer a theory, but a huge gap.[/i]
> > 
> > dhw: [i]Nobody has said that the Cambrian Gap is a theory!!![/i]
> > 
> > DAVID: [i]You did: "dhw: First of all, “de novo” creation in the Cambrian remains a theory." Tuesday, July 23, 2024, 18:15[/i]
> > 
> > dhw: Your Mr Hyde is making a fool of you. The theory is “de novo” creation!!! That is your guesswork solution to the mystery of the Cambrian Gap.
> > 
> > dhw: [i]The Cambrian Gap is a real mystery, and there are theories which try to explain it! We have considered three: the fossil record is bound to be incomplete; cellular intelligence may be sufficiently advanced to make major jumps when conditions allow them; there is an unknown, sourceless mind which designed species “de novo”[/i].
> > 
> > DAVID: [i]Such new complex organisms with brains, eyes, guts, demand a designer to explain them.[/i]
> > 
> > dhw: You have chosen the third of the three theoretical explanations.
> 
> Yes, there is a gap followed by enormous unexplained complexity. Nothing here is gradual. For more than 160+ years later, now with many deposits of Cambrian animals found all over the world, no new fossils of precursors! Only a designer fits.