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> dhw: [i]Mindless obedience is the exact opposite of autonomy.[/i]
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> DAVID: [i]But that is exactly what a self-driving autonomous car does! Follows programmed directions.[/i] […]
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> dhw: [i]You have twisted the quote (which only mentioned the non-involvement of humans) in order to draw an analogy between programmed cars and your concept of programmed cells. I reject the analogy, (a) because I propose that cells are not programmed, and (b) because I challenge you to find a definition of the word “autonomous” which includes preprogramming and obeying instructions. You are making a mockery of language.[/i]
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> DAVID: [i]It is common usage. Self-driving cars have been referred to as 'automatic' which means autonomously to me. Cells run just as the cars do is my point, whatever the words are that we use.[/i]
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> QUOTE (from “King’s English”): [i][b]“A truly autonomous car would decide on destination and route as well as control within the lanes. An automated car would follow orders[/b] about destination and route, and may only adopt some lane-keeping or car-following guidance.” (dhw's bold)
> "Nevertheless, I do not believe these differences can be preserved linguistically, even within the profession, the broad misuse and confusion will drown small differences of meaning."[/i]
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> DAVID:[i] Our real battle is about cells and how they work, as you note. My analogy fits my side.[/i]
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> Thank you for these two clarifications, which to some extent explain the confusion. Since the motor industry has its own special jargon, I take back my vehement disapproval of your use of language. However, what may be “small differences” in the motor industry are colossal differences in the context of our discussion: either cells follow instructions (= automated) or they make their own decisions (autonomous).The one is the exact opposite of the other. I suggest we scrap the analogy!