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> > DAVID: [i]I have clearly stated God may be unlimited or limited. History allows both possibilities since He chose to use evolution over 3.8 billion years Humans as the purpose fits either scenario.[/i]
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> > dhw: One day you clearly state that he is in full control, and the next you say that he may have limits. Let’s settle, then, for your clear statement that either is possible. If his powers are unlimited, then [b]you yourself cannot understand why he needed to spend 3.5+ billion years designing anything but the one thing he wanted to design (us). Possible explanation: we were not the only thing he wanted to design.[/b] He wanted the whole higgledy-piggledy bush (and as you say, enjoys/enjoyed it, like a painter who enjoys his paintings). If he has limits, that might explain why, in your scenario, he needed 3.5+ billion years to produce the only thing he wanted to produce: [b]either he didn’t know how to do it, or – another possibility – he had no clear concept of “human” but the idea came to him later on in the course of his experiments.[/b]
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> The bolds are wrong as I view the issues. I don't question His decision to evolve humans. It is  not a decision by God I question or don't understand. That is your interpretation of my thinking. I accept it as  what He decided to do. And I've said He might be limited in some way in evolutionary production, but I have always thought God had a clear-sighted goal of producing humans. I cannot explain our appearance  out of an  evolution process on any other way. We are over-evolved based on all the other creatures and plants we see in nature's balances. WE a re  now the top predator, but the only one with compassion and introspection, about how we affect all the rest. And when we spot our mistakes, we do spot them and try to correct them. Chimps   have no compassion over killing another chimp. Of course, Adler thinking.