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> > DAVID: [i]The universe started with a Big Bang. Are the first living cells a 'big bang' start for life?[/i]
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> > dhw: [i]I’m not sure if the universe started with a Big Bang, but it’s nice that you’re also looking for parallels.[/i]
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> > DAVID: [i]At least we are looking at two of the most major starts of all starts. Can you think of a third?[/i]
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> > dhw: [i]The start of our solar system and Planet Earth was pretty major for you and me, but an eternal and infinite universe could have had an infinite number of major starts.[/i]
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> > DAVID: [i]Up to this point we were talking about possibilities with significant evidence. The eternal and infinite universe is pure hypothesis and without a smidgen of evidence.[/i]
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> > dhw: Fair comment. I should have stuck to our solar system and planet. Apologies for taking us off onto a different track. An interesting one, though. One has to ask: what was there before the Big Bang, if it ever happened? Nothing at all is also pure hypothesis, as is an eternal mind without a beginning. There is no way we shall ever know, unless your pure hypothesis is correct and your God reveals himself!
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> According to Guth and his cohorts there is no 'before' before the Big Bang, proven mathematically in a paper presented in 2002 at Hawkings 60th birthday party/ symposium, my book, page 63. Put simply, time starts with the BB. Just as life starts with the first functional  living cell.  Both starts are followed by an evolutionary process which are too complex to be the  result of chance. If there is a cause for each event, it is simpler to attribute them to one source than to conjure up two causes for two such pivotal creations.