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> > DAVID:  [i]God is a much more logical option than the alchemy of inorganic sources from an 'impersonal universe'. As for your dislike of my second statement what made the impersonal universe but a first cause?[/i]
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> > dhw: [i]The choice is between a conscious first cause (your God) and a non-conscious first cause (an impersonal universe). Neither was “made”. You understandably claim that our life and consciousness and all our powers are too complex to have arisen without a designer. And yet you claim that it is logical for life and consciousness, in the form of a living, conscious God (who remains hidden) with powers infinitely greater than our own, to exist without having been designed. Wonderland logic.[/i]
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> > DAVID: [i]Of course the logic here is 'wonderland'. Logic requires God is eternal[/i]
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> > dhw: Or logic requires that an impersonal universe is eternal.
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> > DAVID: [i]I still view God as eternal and I think He has produced many universes over eternity and we folks just happen to be in this one.[/i]
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> > dhw: Or there have been many impersonal universes over eternity etc.
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> We only have evidence of a possible origin of this universe, and no evidence of multiple universes or previous ones.  But your logical suppositions are correct, except for removing a first cause..