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> Well, maybe I shouldn&apos;t give up so easily. I said I&apos;d try to give informal examples of processes and all I&apos;ve done so far is quote Jungerman, who, amazingly, you found to be a "dense fog." To me he has the clarity of 6500K lighting, which is why I&apos;m so amazed by your reaction. And because of that, you may also find the following to be more "fog."-Human consciousness is also just a process. It doesn&apos;t not have any "persistence", the way a lump of flesh like the human brain has. Consciousness is something that comes and goes, even while we&apos;re awake! It depends on the human brain as its substrate, but it does not have a continuous existence. Without the activity of the human brain to keep it going, it simply fades out of existence, even while we&apos;re alive. When we fall asleep, it goes away. It has no existence outside of process.-Yet those who believe in immortality probably believe that consciousness lives on after death. Well, it does, in other conscious creatures, and in God. In fact, I&apos;ve said that there is really only one consciousness, the consciousness of God, that creatures when they are conscious, [i]participate[/i] in. But the consciousness that is associated with brain activity, [i]stops[/i], when the brain dies. From the standpoint of my theology, what is happening is that the consciousness (that is really God&apos;s consciousness) that runs through the brain, stops "running" when the brain dies. God no longer as a channel in that lump of flesh to run his consciousness [i]through[/i].-Of course I have no idea whether any of that helps at all, especially since I think Jungerman&apos;s explanations are a lot clearer than mine, and you find them a "dense fog."