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> dhw: [i]It seems to me that when a scientist admits that scientists are given too much respect, with the implication that they don&apos;t in fact know what they&apos;re doing, perhaps it is a little premature for him to assume that there is no grand metaphysical apparatus responsible for fine tuning. [/i] - DAVID: [i]A good reason for philosophers of science making their points. Multiverse theory tries to do away with God, and is not just grandiose theory. LIGO shows how well science can work. It is the weird philosophic thinking of scientists which muddies up the picture. Metaphysical apparatus can well be the reason for everything as the picket fence thinking states![/i] - I presume by &#147;weird philosophic thinking of scientists&#148; you only mean those who do not share your theistic ideas. To restore the balance, let me repeat the part of my post you left out: - &#147;[i]On the other hand, Bertrand Russell&apos;s line [/i][concerning anthropocentric theism]: &#147;[i]All such philosophies spring from self-importance, and are best corrected by a little astronomy&#148;] is a wonderful summing-up of my point about the immensity of the universe as a major obstacle to belief in a universal mind controlling it all - let alone manipulating it for the sake of us humans.&#148; [/i]