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> > DAVID: [i]It seems you cannot see the enormous jump in complexity, whole organ systems from simple sheets of cells requires planning. Only a mind can do that.[/i] >  > dhw:I see it. I cannot explain it. No one can explain it. A mind could do it. Millions of minds could do it. A mind could create millions of minds to do it.-Of course you see it, and you admit chance can&apos;t do it. A mind can do it.->  > dhw: Nothing is &#147;required&#148;. If there is no logical explanation, one can keep an open mind. But as always I must remind you that the intelligent cell hypothesis does not exclude your God. -Wouldn&apos;t you like a rational explanation? An open mind to no conclusions. - > dhw: I presume nothing. I offer cellular cooperation as an alternative hypothesis to your all-encompassing computer programme.... Simply invoking a supernatural intelligence does not solve the problem of producing it from first-cause energy. -If it always existed, as something must have, it is a fine answer.  >  > dhw: [i]Or rather know-nothingism. Why pretend you know something you can&apos;t possibly know? That is why you have to resort to faith.[/i] > DAVID: [i]Inference to best solution.[/i] >  > dhw: Best by what criteria? Stick to faith!-But that is what Darwin did with his so-called theory.!