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> Peter P concludes " That can only mean current scientific findings = there&apos;s something out there. I wonder how many scientists know that. Believe what you like, guys, but don&apos;t try to kid us that science is on your side." Peter P should recognize whatever is out there can never be proven. But world famous philosophers like Antony Flew (former atheistic philosopher) and John Leslie, philosopher of science, use scientific findings to reach conclusions that satisfy their ponderings. We cannot and should not exclude what science finds. The fact that science is methodological materialism is correct for science. But those science findings can be used for conjecture. Mortimer J. Adler, "How to Think About God", 1980, uses the approach used by jury trials, presuming God from evidence that presents itself as &apos;beyond a reasonable doubt.&apos; Science isn&apos;t supposed to be trying to find God, whatever "God" means, but some scientists have started to wonder. Check out Paul Davies, John Polkinghorne, or Gerald Schroeder as examples. - Look at John Leslie&apos;s final conclusion in "Universes":" Much evidence suggests that Life&apos;s prerequisites could only amazingly have been fulfilled anywhere unless this is a truth: [i]That God is real and/or there exist vastly many, very varied universes." [/i] Parse that sentence. There are three possibilities: God is real and in this universe. God is real and is in  many universes, or there are many universes and we are in the lucky one. Nothing else is possible.