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> > DAVID: [i]Not diversionary. Once again, if God did it and I don&apos;t understand why or how, that does not mean one should not be able to accept that God worked through an evolutionary process. My problem is I cannot read His mind as He plans His goals, nor can anyone else.[/i] >  > dhw: We both accept the evolutionary process, and I accept the possibility that your God may have started it all, but you DO try to read his mind.His goal, you say, was to produce humans;...... So long as you put forward such hypotheses, it seems to me fair enough to examine their reasonableness in the light of what we can observe. You are more than happy to do so when confronted with the hypothesis of the autonomous inventive mechanism!-I just look at the astounding result of evolution, us, and that guides my thinking. I have no idea why we should be the result of a natural process. And my thought processes are not one-dimensional. You know all the reasons I think there is a planning mind, the major one being I can not imagine an inorganic universe inventing consciousness. It already had to exist in a prior period.