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> I&apos;d like to reply to dhw and Jelliss at one time without quotes. dhw is correct. Perhaps I was too broad in my reliance on pure science. Only 20-25 % of folks have a near to death episode, and it does alter their thinking, but Per van Pommel studied them in a prospective manner, and turned up some fascinating results that suggest those episodes are real. Experiences that dhw wants can come with deep meditiation and the person thinks he has become &apos;one with the universe&apos;. I admit that is at a different level than pure science.  Jelliss has an extreme faith in origin of life experimentation reaching an answer. Having read several books and articles on the subject, I know it has been a total dead end so far. The mathematical odds against the spontaneous generation of a single RNA molecule are so enormous as to deny a chance event can do it. Which is why Robert Shapiro has suggested a different approach with inorganic cycles that can generate some energy, and then "somehow" reach out into chance and become organic.   I would again point out that the DNA/RNA system is very layered and extremely filled with information. Neo-Darwin mechanisms simply re-arrange the deck chairs on the Darwin ship using existing information to create something different and/or new. Where and how did chance originally find the information?