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> >  > dhw: Thank you for this clarification. As I keep repeating, I can&apos;t make any sort of statement about the technicalities. I rely on scientists like you and him. If you&apos;re now saying Wagner&apos;s proposal could work, then your only complaint about his article is that he doesn&apos;t tell us the mechanism must have been designed by God. And that is what you have said all along, since agreeing that an inventive mechanism is a possibility.-My only complaint about his article is he makes it sound easy for DNA to stumble into new functional proteins when necessary. this is the key point copied from above: "[b]The extreme difficulty in finding the right &apos;next&apos; protein is a strong argument for design." [/b]He describes this issue beautifully and then talks all around it. I want you to think about the import of that sentence. It is equal to finding the right grain of sand in a desert. There are 15 major changes in separating humans from ape ancestors. Each change involved hundreds of individual mutations. Enough time for chance to do it? I doubt it. The Wistar Institute conference with mathematicians in 1967 raised this issue, long before the info we have today, and to me the timing looks worse and worse.