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> > David: No, there appears to be a specified complexity to require this life style. From that reasoning it appears designed to me. Designed by God or his proxy, the IM or NREH. I accept nothing else, because it makes no sense.[/i] >  > dhw: you&apos;re prepared to accept the possibility that the inventive mechanism designed it (hallelujah). That would indeed be progress, but your next paragraph shows that there has been no progress at all: >       > DAVID: [i]I don&apos;t think the IM is in any way autonomous. I never have. That we have a &apos;partial glimmer&apos; is true for current knowledge, but for my reasoning, semi-autonomy is all I can predict, based on the comments above.[i]-What I have said in the past is more than likely God developed a pattern for migrating animals and they follow those patterns. Tony and I have both discussed this and it sets up an easy follow-up for modifications by an IM or an NREH. >  > Not "in any way autonomous" but maybe "semi-autonomous" (whatever that means) is another example of linguistic blurring. .... and  you dismiss the idea that he could design an inventive mechanism with which migrating and non-migrating butterflies and birds might have worked out their own lifestyle.-I&apos;ll keep repeating a complex migration requires advanced planning. It requires a conscious mind to work it out. An IM works on established patterns with some modification. Tell me how the first Arctic Tern decided to winter in Hawaii. How did he/she even knew that Hawaii existed? If I could explain this naturally I would. I know you can&apos;t >  > dhw: You are right. The fact that organisms need food is obvious. I&apos;m not sure why you felt the need to state the obvious.-Because the bushiness of life provides a constant source of energy throughout all sorts of environmental changes. Wagner points out that the lowly E. coli has about 40 different mechanisms to metabolize foods so as to handle all sorts of problems and changes. E. coli is that complex and more so, but all of that review later. I&apos;m still working through his presentation.