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> > Having been away and then returning to this vast inane discussion, down a huge rabbit hole, I find disappointing. The definition of atheist is a non-issue. Please, over and out.-The problem David is there are two broad definitions of atheism in use. generally speaking: 1) an active disbelief in any god. 2) a lack of belief in any god.-Personally I am happy with either definition, so long as when we use the word atheist we are clear which definition we are speaking about. These are commonly denoted as strong and weak respectively.-similarly for agnosticism 1) not knowing whether god exists or not (but not necessarily limited to god). 2) lacking a belief and disbelief in god.-I would agree that amongst the general public 2) is a common perception, but anyone of a philosophical persuasion would understand that 1) is original intent. 2) for me reduces agnosticism to an atheistic position where the concept of god is somehow important to me. It is not.-We then move on to the difference between [i]atheistic[/i] and [i]atheist[/i] when used as an adjective. For me there is a subtle difference. For me it is OK to say [i]David has an atheistic position in the Trinity [/i]... in that like atheists you disbelieve in a Trinitarian god. (Assuming you do).-I can&apos;t see the problem here.