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> > bbella: the only thing that doesn&apos;t change is change itself. So, for me, this scripture is saying, God IS the changelessness of change [edited: in other words: It is what It is. And the thing about "IT" (change), it is so momentarily fleeting, it is impossible to nail down or to give IT expression. And so = God.][/i] >  > DAVID: [i]This is why I think God is the consciousness or mind of the universe, unchanging but guiding change.[/i] >  > dhw:This exchange brings me back into the fray, which may or may not be a good thing. ....... I suspect that David has misunderstood BBella (but she will correct me if I&apos;m wrong). Nothing ever stays the same, and so the only constant is change. If there is a god, it is a form of energy that transmutes itself into ever changing combinations of matter.-Welcome back. I&apos;m delighted you feel comfortable enough with yourself to begin to externalize from your innnermost feelings, which still must be quite raw. I&apos;m sure I have bbella right. You are interpreting whatever is eternal as changing in total, and I don&apos;t think that is what she meant. I know it is not what I mean when I think of an eternal God. He does not change but as I think He is a part of the universe as well as outside of it, the changing universe represents a changing portion of Him but a discrete portion of Him is unchanging and in control of the change, and that is the main part outside of the universe.-At any rate, bbella has to tell us what she meant.