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> [i]And so once again we learn that the simplest forms of life have complex methods of communicating, which enable them to cooperate, to create new communities, to innovate. These are forms of intelligence that may be very different from ours, but we only need to think about our own bodies to realize that there are countless intelligent mechanisms which perceive, decide, calculate and act independently of our will and our consciousness. Each one of us is a community of cell communities, and these function just like all communities, through a common language and a shared goal. It&apos;s the same throughout Nature ... forms of intelligence which we do not understand, but which function just as efficiently as those within us. How the first forms arose is a mystery, but once we acknowledge the inventive, cooperative intelligence of cells, all the other mysteries of evolution seem to me to solve themselves.[/i]-DAVID: [i]Yes, the $64,000 question, where did intelligence and consciousness come from? And your very unreasonable answer is I&C self-invented themselves. That is bootstrapping of the highest order![/i]-That is not my answer at all. In five and a half years of discussion you still haven&apos;t cottoned on to the fact that I am an agnostic! I have no answers. See above: "[i]How the first forms arose is a mystery[/i]". Only theists and atheists believe they have an answer. Your theist answer is that I&C invented themselves and their name is God. The atheist answer is that I&C invented themselves by chance. You both have a bootstrapping belief of the "highest order". I have no belief at all.