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> >  > DAVID: [i]I guess the same would apply to turtles. What a weird branch of the bush they are! I think they were put on Earth to show that Darwinism doesn&apos;t work as an explanation for evolution.[/i] >  > dhw: Maybe they evolved on Earth to show that the Turellist Theory of Anthropocentric Evolution has turned turtle.-I look at a turtle and feel sorry for them. Like medieval knights lugging around their armor, can&apos;t get right when they on their backs. I think God created them so we  can see how lucky we are. My evolutionary bush is teleological. Purpose everywhere.-Speaking of turtles, a bit of autobiography: my birth surname was Turkeltaub, a slavic version of the German, Turteltaube, or turtledove in English. Why a bird mentioned in the OT got co-mingled with turtles is beyond me, but no more confusing than the strange branches of the bush of life. All they prove is that God made life&apos;s attempts at complexity very inventive. After all, travelling from rocks to life to consciousness is a major accomplishment. -But my family name lives on through the internet as well as procreation. There was a website that covered 19 branches of the name. I&apos;m not sure it is active now. It was run by a distant cousin of mine in Venezuela. We have the same great-great grandfather.